Curse

Skyy High · Aug 22, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

Some of those are more important than others, but in general, if a player has the means and the knowledge to improve their character and they just don't bother, then yes, I think it is selfish. I take pride in making my PVE characters maximally effective and would like others do to the same. In practice, it is a game, and if you like pugging you have to accept that a lot of people will be doing less than optimal things.

I take issue with the idea that one type of play, whether PVE or PVP, is more deserving of good play than the other. Whichever one you are doing, if you are bothering to do it, you should bring your A game.

But the point is, most of those are wholly unnecessary. And if THOSE are unnecessary, you can be sure that customization is unnecessary. Following that logic, customization should never be expected of someone, as it only minimally helps and financially hurts.

This has nothing to do with whether one type of gameplay is "more deserving" than another. High level PvP play consists of longer, drawn-out battles, where every ounce of pressure can help tip the balance in your favor. PvE consists of almost exclusively small scale conflicts (individual mobs) with rest time (however small) in between. The extra damage from customization does not have time to build up to be a game-breaking amount; at the most, you'll shave just a couple of seconds off of the time it takes to kill an extremely high level foe, and low-armored foes will be killed in pretty much the same number of swings of your weapon. It's pressure builds vs. the "nuke the mob" mentality.

On a side notes, some of the more enjoyable PvE missions for me are the ones that offer near-nonstop fighting for more than just a few mobs. Vizunah Square comes to mind, and the ending of Thunderhead Keep.

SpeedyKQ · Aug 22, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

You may be right - customizing your weapon may be MORE important for PVP than PVE. But I continue to insist that it is worth doing in PVE.

Getting a max crafter weapon and customizing it isn't that hard or expensive, and anybody who takes the game at least moderately seriously should do it.

Skyy High · Aug 22, 2006, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Oh yes, I've said that customizing collector's weps is always okay, because no one will buy them off of you once you have them (sad really, try selling collectors weps in early cities, you can't even get 500g for them...).

Y.T. · Aug 22, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

So for pve would it be selfish if: -
*The warrior does not use a rune of superior absorbsion?
*Every player does not have a rune of superior vigor?
*The warrior was using ascalon or gladiators armor?
*The weapon / staff is not perfect?
*The weapon / staff is not perfectly modded?
*The warrior does not have a perfect shield?
*The player does not have a large number of items to cover each situation e.g. helms with minor runes for dp. Or shields for stance / hex / enchant / always?

actually alot of pve players who play on regular basis for quite a long time owns all items mentioned above. prolly few more, like shields with +AR vs certain type of damage or certain class of mobs (f/ex +hp +10AR vs skeletons shield for fow or +hp +10AR vs fire for fire island mis et cetera), bows/axes/swords/staves with +damage vs certain mob mods (pruning, deathbane, u name it - pve players got them)... pvp-only char cant switch armors mid-mission, u have to reroll them, pve chars can.... after all sup absorbtion is durty cheap and trols/ogres drop HUGE amount of sup vigor runes, and i'm not going to discuss chest runs now

worst-case scenario - 7/8 ppl in ur pug will have green items instead of perfect golds, but all greens r perfect (and majority of greens r cheap now), so its ok again...

pappayaponta · Aug 22, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I'd rather go with the 15^50, customized

Economically, 14^50 customized is pretty much best, as +14% and +15% hit practically the same.

Explain that for those im tryin to sell my req 8 14^50 oni blade

Uther Charrsbane · Aug 22, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

i have calculated the damage 15%givves and the dmg 20% gives and that dmg combined

.(using 22 as max dmg)
15^50: 25 dmg
20%:26 dmg
35%:30 dmg

the difference is only 4 dmg. with hammers however the dmg is more. (call me nerd if u want lol).

Thallandor · Aug 22, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Hmm maybe its just personal taste but i find crystallines swords..errr...Ugly?

*raises hands wildly in the air and runs away*

Dr Strangelove · Aug 22, 2006, 09:23 AM // 09:23

If you have access to ideal gear, there is no valid reason not to use it. People who refuse to maximize their available equipment for vanity's sake have absolutely no place on any team of mine. People who justify it by saying PvE is so easy that they can use ineffective weapons are selfish, elitist pricks.

The issue is not with the precise amount of damage done, the issue is that the person behind the uncustomized weapon cares little about being as effective as possible. If they don't care about the weapon, perhaps they've only chosen skills that look cool? Perhaps their armor is not maxed to save money? Perhaps I'll be subjected to elitist crap with non-stop pinging of what you're wielding? Whatever the case, it's selfish and unneeded.

At any rate, I'm much more impressed with a player's skill than the trinkets they wave around. Go ahead and get your crystalline, I hope you enjoy it, but in combat, bring out a customized collector's weapon. I'll be a lot more impressed when you kill things more effectively than if you swing an ugly shimmery see-through snot blade.

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 22, 2006, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

If you have access to ideal gear, there is no valid reason not to use it. People who refuse to maximize their available equipment for vanity's sake have absolutely no place on any team of mine. People who justify it by saying PvE is so easy that they can use ineffective weapons are selfish, elitist pricks.

The issue is not with the precise amount of damage done, the issue is that the person behind the uncustomized weapon cares little about being as effective as possible. If they don't care about the weapon, perhaps they've only chosen skills that look cool? Perhaps their armor is not maxed to save money? Perhaps I'll be subjected to elitist crap with non-stop pinging of what you're wielding? Whatever the case, it's selfish and unneeded.

At any rate, I'm much more impressed with a player's skill than the trinkets they wave around. Go ahead and get your crystalline, I hope you enjoy it, but in combat, bring out a customized collector's weapon. I'll be a lot more impressed when you kill things more effectively than if you swing an ugly shimmery see-through snot blade.

If someone was elitist they'd definitely have 15k armor; couldn't possibly be elitist in that walking pincone armor from Kaineng.

The Herbalizer · Aug 22, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

If someone was elitist they'd definitely have 15k armor; couldn't possibly be elitist in that walking pincone armor from Kaineng.

I was just thinking that. Elitest people usually have 15k / FOW armor and demand people tell them their build before playing with them. They would get pissed if people had the wrong armor etc.

The kind of person who could afford a perfect crystalline sword would more than likely have perfect equipment e.g. sup vig, "ideal armor", all skills, perfect shields etc.

I truely doubt everyone could afford a sup vigor rune for as they are 30k ish now I think and with 5 characters assuming one is for pvp and they own factions thats 150k. Unless they farm there would be no way of affording them as they would have to buy armor / skills / items etc aswell. They would first need 15k armor as I could not see many people putting sup vig runes on 1.5k armor unless they really like the look of it.

My point being before bashing the people who dont customize their nice / rare items consider that other people who dont have expensive stuff could also be "letting down the team". If they can afford nice items they would most probably have the best shields / armor / skills etc for the job required. Take my example of everyone having a superior vigor rune, I doubt everyone playing casually can afford one for each character so therefore they too like the people not customizing their weapons are putting the team at a disadvantage.

In pve if someone wants to use an uncustomized weapon im fine with it. However, in pvp I think it is crucial to have the best equipment possible as there is no excuse when you can do Random Arena to unlock skills / runes / upgrades through faction.

Dev121 · Aug 22, 2006, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Custimized 15^50 req9 ,,,, looks l33t =P

leprekan · Aug 22, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

The only time you're going to see a difference between a 14>50 hit and a 15>50 hit is if they are naked-frenzy-healsiging with weaken armour cast on them.

Like you don't run into that all the time!

P.S. If you are going to use it in a group it should be customized. If you won't customize it then get a collector. I used to run into so many tightwads in pvp that wouldn't customize.

SpeedyKQ · Aug 22, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

My point being before bashing the people who dont customize their nice / rare items consider that other people who dont have expensive stuff could also be "letting down the team". If they can afford nice items they would most probably have the best shields / armor / skills etc for the job required. Take my example of everyone having a superior vigor rune, I doubt everyone playing casually can afford one for each character so therefore they too like the people not customizing their weapons are putting the team at a disadvantage.

To me there is a big difference between not being able to afford 30K for a superior rune, and being able to easily afford 5K for a max customized weapon and just not bothering.

noblepaladin · Aug 22, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Many people do not want to customize their weapon because they want to be able to trade it in the future if during a new expansion, a cooler looking skin comes out. But what I don't understand is that it is much more effective to use a customized storm bow with no mods (just +20% damage unconditional) rather than a perfect uncustomized storm bow (with +15%^50). The character looks exactly the same. So if looks matter to you, keep that expensive perfect item in the stash and use a customized non-perfect item that looks exactly the same.

I guess it is just a psychological thing, fighting with that perfect weapon.

Ineffiable · Aug 23, 2006, 01:05 AM // 01:05

I know some people that actually buy greens like Victos Axe/Swords, customize them and use them for PVP, and then use their GPB for pve.

In the end, maybe a few years from now, Guildwars may not exist, and whos going to care about your perfect req 8 15^50 crystalline now?

Really, it is JUST a game.

Saider maul · Aug 23, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

lol i know they go for some rediculous prices. I may be well off enough but i doubt I'll ever own one.

Even if I did it would be a +5energy ( if possible ) for my necro or monk or if not nerfed to bad the dervish.

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 23, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

In another thread, someone pointed out there was an auction for this:

with a miniumum bid of this:

(that's right; one trillion ten thousand)

Surprisignly; there have been 74 bids to jack the price up that high. Does anyone even believe this is a real auction?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction/item.php/id=200310

Uther Charrsbane · Aug 23, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

Getting a max crafter weapon and customizing it isn't that hard or expensive, and anybody who takes the game at least moderately seriously should do it.

you are right but skin is very important in pve

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i still stand with the best is customised max great skin, other wise id go for 15^50 or 14^50 customised.

Uther Charrsbane · Aug 23, 2006, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

In another thread, someone pointed out there was an auction for this:

with a miniumum bid of this:

(that's right; one trillion ten thousand)

Surprisignly; there have been 74 bids to jack the price up that high. Does anyone even believe this is a real auction?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction/item.php/id=200310

impossible bid most a trade can take is umm 250x7000x7+100=12,250,100
12mill

(call me a nerd again lol)

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 23, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Uther Charrsbane

impossible bid most a trade can take is umm 250x7000x7+100=12,250,100
12mill

(call me a nerd again lol)

That's the point

I think either some jerks kinda screwed up that guys auction with fake bids or the whole thing is a joke. What I'm confused about is that for such a high profile item; there should obviously have been a buyout. But there wasn't; and the only reason there wouldn't have been a b/o was if he was a noob and didn't understand how to auction. If he was a noob; I highly doubt he could get his hands on that kind of equipment.